# @abcnewslive on TikTok

- **Type:** Video
- **Original URL:** https://www.tiktok.com/@abcnewslive/video/7565896117011991863
- **Gondola URL:** https://gondola.cc/posts/36252693-abcnewslive-tiktok
- **Thumbnail:** https://img.gondola.cc/tr:w-,h-,fo-auto/postThumbnails/e98a95a851.jpg
- **Posted:** 2025-10-27T13:42:05.000+00:00
- **Account Owner:** ABC News Live (@abcnewslive) — https://gondola.cc/abcnewslive

## Caption

President Trump berated his then-vice president Mike Pence, calling him a "wimp" during their final phone call on Jan. 6, 2021, according to Pence's previously unpublished notes included in a new book by ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl. Karl talks about his new book, "Retribution," with @thedianemacedo. #news #trump #pence #politics #election

## Stats

- **Views:** 114,500
- **Likes:** 3,001
- **Shares:** 224
- **Comments:** 157

## Tags

news, trump, politics, election, pence

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