# @chloeshih on YouTube

- **Type:** Video
- **Original URL:** https://youtube.com/watch?v=lnLWRJ2p_Mg
- **Gondola URL:** https://gondola.cc/posts/71546758-chloeshih-youtube
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- **Posted:** 2026-10-08T22:00:05.000+00:00
- **Account Owner:** chloe shih ✧･ﾟ (@chloe.shih) — https://gondola.cc/chloe.shih

## Caption

How do you go from a self-described “nobody PM” to becoming the most talked-about product manager in Silicon Valley?

Holly Li’s career is kind of insane. She started at @Google, bought a one-way ticket to San Francisco and convinced the team at Adept to create a PM role for her, became the founding PM of @Figma Make, and is now building at @OpenAI, where she famously launched Dots at OpenAI's Dev Day.

In this ep, we talk about:
→ how Holly became one of the hottest PMs in tech
→ how she landed PM roles in AI
→ how she became the founding PM of Figma Make just weeks after joining
→ what the OpenAI interview process is actually like
→ what most candidates get wrong in interviews
→ what happened at her live demo during OpenAI Dev Day
→ how to become a better presenter on stage
→ why AI needs more women, creative people, and people with taste
→ what is dots?
→ how dots differentiates itself in the current "AI assistant race"

→ Find Holly on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hollyli2018
→ Check out the Dots demo: https://x.com/OpenAIDevs/status/2105708732323909827?

PS: sorry for all the lighting changes in this ep!! 😭

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-hottest-product-manager-in-tech-right-now-openais/id1752596006?i=1000793939049
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4K5SE82fk0PrC0Td2EEDM0?si=Rof8QpUDTRend8OCZpXuhA

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✹ business inquiries: business@colorsofchloe.com

00:00:00 - intro
00:01:33 - meet Holly!
00:03:42 - Holly on going viral
00:09:53 - Holly’s career story
00:11:00 - leaving consulting for Google
00:14:00 - working on AI before the boom
00:15:25 - Holly's quarter-life crisis
00:16:37 - breaking into product at Adept
00:17:14 - joining Figma
00:18:41 - leaving Figma for OpenAI
00:20:13 - becoming the founding PM of Figma Make
00:20:42 - how Holly got into OpenAI
00:21:22 - the OpenAI interview process
00:22:11 - what OpenAI looks for in PMs
00:23:20 - interview tips for an AI PM role
00:25:02 - common mistakes in interviews
00:26:24 - building Dots at OpenAI
00:28:47 - Dots vs. other AI assistants
00:30:06 - how Holly uses Dots
00:32:19 - ChatGPT, Codex, Dots & Spaces
00:35:07 - BTS of OpenAI Dev Day
00:37:08 - why the live demo went wrong
00:45:34 - trusting AI with our personal data
00:48:17 - Holly on AI safety
00:53:34 - the problem with the AI bubble
00:55:02 - Holly on AI automation
01:00:49 - the role of creators in AI
01:03:16 - Holly’s fears about AI
01:04:34 - building AI for everyday people
01:07:15 - performance review
01:11:52 - outro

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