"Welcome Will Pugh on the pod! Will is the lead singer and bassist for Cartel, the Georgia grown pop punk band, as well a lifelong golfer. Cartel’s debut album charted at #20 on the Billboard charts, sold 30,000 copies in its first week, and their song “Honestly” was featured in the movie John Tucker Must Die. You can find them currently on their “20 Years of Tears” summer tour across the U.S. While sipping on a cup of Sweet Cinnamon tea, Josh and Will talk about songwriting with Cartel, stage fright, and Taylor Swift. Hear Will's latest work on the band Taurids! spotify.link/juK0zybwXJb Will’s social media: Instagram: @willpug Twitter: @willpug Facebook: @William Pugh Josh’s socials: Instagram/TikTok/YouTube/Twitter/Facebook: @JoshLanzet Steep Conversations socials: Instagram/Youtube/Twitter/Facebook: @SteepConversations"