What does it really take to drive meaningful transformation that lasts? Justin Schwartz, transformation leader for MarathonPetroleum, joined Alan Hart at Dreamforce to share why truly understanding your users, starting with their real business challenges and keeping people at the center, make all the difference. Ready for a practical look at how people-focused strategies can power meaningful tech change? Listen to the full episode by searching “Marketing Beyond with Alan Hart” on your favorite podcast platform. #DDPodcasts #DDInsights