Maggie Spicer has a blunt take on the politics around ESG in beauty: strip away the noise and it is just good business. Keep your best talent, follow chemical safety rules, and you are already doing the work. Maggie Spicer joins Mike for a candid conversation about why ESG keeps surviving the political backlash, how to tell greenwashing from genuine effort, the supply chain visibility that protects brands when tariffs hit, and the one sustainability mistake that quietly drains beauty brands. Maggie went from trade law at White & Case to handling supply chain regulatory compliance as in-house counsel at Amazon Web Services before founding Source Beauty ESG, the advisory firm she runs for beauty brands. That inside view is why she pushes founders past marketing claims and into operations: build sustainability into sourcing, packaging, and supplier vetting, and it pays off when the market turns. MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Maggie Spicer on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/margaretja...